Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Air Force Air Combat family Netizen unveil on January 13

by:萨苏

[Acknowledgements Reverts to the high seas Netizen]



occurred In "/SPAN>1967January 13, the air war, and so far in the Taiwan Strait is the last air combat. This war, Taiwan's record of the People's Liberation Army shot down by F-Sidewinders missiles-6type jet fighters two (the mainland has not lost record), its own lossesF-104twice the speed of sound a fighter jet, Air Force Major Yangjingzong killed.



the air, as both sides information isolation, is not always uniform . If mainland air force whether the plane was shot down, Yangjingzong Major combatants killed or fault crashes, the truth remains, as has left. Savimbi has been in accordance with their own understanding of the information in the following article on the battle for a description.


http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/reader_476745f601008j5g.html


http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/reader_476745f601008j5t.html



makes me feel lucky that the article was published shortly, a Air Force family netizens have an interest in providing some first-hand materials, which opened this battle for the truth, I think that a very important value.



The netizens of this war and the People's Liberation Army Air Force ground radar navigator DONG Fu-for a long time are neighbors, and his father and Dong friends, and the Air Force shot down Yangjingzong Major meritorious pilot Hu Shougen home, and these children are their "club."(User Reverts to the high seas of personal web pages
http://space.sina .com.cn/16443275), and he therefore provided , there is a deeper sense of the relevance and authenticity.





Air24division pilots Hu Shougen



Following is a letter from the netizens, with blue said.



[today home to see his father, shot down onF104article , the father has provided some information, you may be able to play a little help. At that time, our military is indeed2formations sky, and combat aircraft have crashed in the information, named in the air, our military aircraft have reported a number (which should be confirmed in this army The loss is not in the air), but Hu Shougen in the air did not report also shot down an enemy plane and landed after the cannon because he held, so that together, and then extract the gun camera photos.]



Savimbi commentary:this passage is brief, but I can correct a mistake in the article. I have been quoted in the article saying the publications, stresses "visual Hu, whose only to flaunt its return."Obviously, this is the contradiction. I will ask this text old Air Force pilot, the other view is that stresses more objective. The rapidly changing situation in the air, Hu and Yang air operations occurred solely in less than 10 seconds, and Hu in a major shift in the angle of vision changes greatly in the air difficult to judge shot down an enemy plane or not is normal. Judgement for air battle, the most reliable basis for the gun camera photos, followed by the comrade-in-arms has witnessed. Hu is the result of the recognition by camera gun, comrade-in-arms has not witnessed. This was precisely the situation. Because the two sides face to face in the formation of the state of high-speed hedge, and then flew through the clouds Yangjingzong major decline in the low-altitude, was shot to fall very short time, it is difficult to slip past the two sides noted that the moment he disappeared, Taiwan's stone Beibei Major also landed back a little after that, then crying on the runway. This friendship is the performance of his comrades in arms, he was the other side's interpretation of some of the Friends of the military into "stone Beibeiluanfang missiles destroyed Yangjingzong Therefore, crying,"which is interpreted by some too.



matter sparked off elderly stresses Another interesting examples. Aid Korea in the aerial combat, the volunteers have arisen with a jet propeller aircraft fighting heroes, with Latin America-9shot down aF-84. The results of its own pilots not know, because he was the escort for the bombers, a one-over round of the United States, an attack an ex, both sides are scrapping Gonglewen. Back to the airport he did not know whether they shot down the aircraft.



interpreters in the review of his gun camera photos suddenly found a Zhang very strange-and La-9shooting at the top of a U.S. plane to muster a package. This unheard of, no experience of interpreters themselves are not sure to ask Mission chief of staff, chief of staff of a look at the music that EnlargeENLARGE. Enlarge one, it was in the American pilot ejected. . .



F-84Only one pilot, the pilot who parachuted to fly back to their own can Is? Immediately determine the U.S. pilots shot downF-841. After this battle by the Korean People's Army side ground troops confirmed.



this war in the number of mainland pilot reported problems, some Taiwan Friends of the military were puzzled that this is not like the mainland air force conventional habits. From here can understand that this is a bit special to a few, is found because the crash, and knocking on the door side or the other is unable to determine, on a number of ways to prove.



Well, a few are reportedly responded, does that mean that the PLA does not regard losses? My view is not absolutely think so. Since January 13 air combat is divided into three stages. The first stage, to enter the mainland, the KMT Air Force reconnaissance12TeamRF -104a reconnaissance plane (Songdunhua lieutenant colonel) were pursuing fighters of the Liberation The second phase, the KMT at the Chingchuankang Air Force took off from Taichung 4F-104fighter (Hsiao Asia and China lieutenant colonel formation) counterattack, Rattlesnake missile attack by the People's Liberation Army fighters, shot down two said F--6; third stage, returning from Asia and China Hsiao formation of a team, was returning to the base, was to the median of the Taiwan Strait, which is the direction search Hu Shougen back the formation of a head-on attack Yangjingzong Major plane was shot down
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Taiwan many friends questioned Yang Jun not been shot down, which is attributed to kick down that Yang has been the air, the way in return. Actually occurred in a return air combat.



Therefore, we can not rule out the formation attack Hsiao Asia and China is not Hu Suobu Shou-Gen. Taiwan's view is that Hu Shougen where the two formations from Zhangzhou (8planes), the PLA has another does not come from the Zhangzhou4plane formation activities in the air-is in the pursuit of Songruihua lieutenant colonel. Hsiao Asia and China is that the attack formation.



However, the biggest problem is that, they are the result of ideas no camera gun photo record. It is said that the plane was on the 4th-Beibei the camera gun fault on the 2nd Hushilin not equipped machine gun camera film, and the so-called downed records, it is in their (the lead plane and the missile holder Xiao Asia and China can not fault missile launchers) . This would be too much coincidence. But I tend to believe the attack formation Xiao Hu Shougen formation is not, but in view of the air war was normal Sidewinders missiles hit rate (10%around), Hsiao Asia and China on the formation of battle doubt greater than that.



[A few days later, fishermen Yang Major to salvage the remains of the wreckage, his documents, so that the facts and publish the results.]



referred to in this paragraph Yangjingzong Major's death, body found that the situation was slightly different with the media, the general view was found the next day. This incident Taiwan also some different views, because Taiwan has also sent a plane to search the ship Yang Major and no body, that the mainland side may be behind cloth Yizhen. In fact, I fully understand the situation, in line with the above-mentioned comparison. Found in the air radar aircraft crashed into the sea (as said, was also unable to tell which party), a record of the general position, and informed the Navy salvage
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is to rescue the side, the other side wanted to capture people.



Navy found no results, coordination of fishing boats found Yang Major remains incomplete. According to people at that time recalled, Yang Major documents in the air and the other was shot down several military pilots as the results of the articles which have been on display in Fuzhou. Therefore, the mainland found the remains of Yang should have no doubt. According to Taiwan's friends said, the wife of Maj. Yangjingzong their deep feelings. The slowdown in the Taiwan Strait situation today, if the family is still Yang Major, or liaise with the mainland, Yang Major remains and belongings to go home, a comfort miss it.



According to the report at that time, the salvage of the remains of Yang Major, but no salvage ofF-104remains(the so-called part of the wreckage that is ejection seat and parachute packages, Expansion of rescue ships, have been damaged). According to read this photo camera gun battle friends say, occupy the main photo is a white, butF - 104highT-shaped tailpiece clear and that is wrong will not work. A so-called white Why? Is it excessive exposure?



Yang Major salvage from the remains of the situation, this white, I presumably hitF-104cockpit of the aircraft shells triggered a rocket ejection seat actuation system, triggered the ejection system to boot. Major ejection system will be the remains of Yang (from the situation at that time, should be killed in the cockpit on a) pop-up aircraft, which can be explained in the salvage, and the remains of the pilot and the wreckage of the reasons for the separation.



while the Taiwan side that failed to salvage the remains of Yang, the reasons for some a misjudgment of the region in the median of the Taiwan Strait into the sea east of the north of Penghu. This is because Hsiao Asia and China will be the starting point squadron returning from the mainland coastline in accordance with the conventional run from the error. In fact, the formation of the breach Hsiao-depth mainland, the situation returned to normal starting point than many of the west. Hu Shougen, such as when the return is received in the correct order Hsiao attack formation, because the People's Liberation Army Air Force, however that such action is the central line (August 23 planning the Battle of the H-5 bombing of Taipei may be the only one of the SCL action plan) Therefore, Yang crash in the waters near the coastline of the mainland.



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